Last Updated: Friday, April 28, 2000 06:31 PM
JK
HP3000-L began as an informal electronic and "physically mailed"
monthly newsletter "HP3000 Public Networking Newsletter" published by Jeff Kell
of the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga to compliment the Education column
in _Interact_ around 1985. When BITNet's Listserv software became available to
UTC, the newsletter became the HPNETS-L list, later renamed to simply HP3000-L
to incorporate all aspects of the HP3000 systems into the discussion and
increase visibility and readership. Comprehensive archives of past discussions
are available from Listserv back to January 1990 inclusive. Archive storage and
list processing resources are provided by the Center of Excellence for Computer
Applications (CECA) at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga on an IBM 9221
mainframe. Usenet newsgroup cross-posting is provided by the Listserv/Usenet
gate- way at American University which is currently managed by Jim McIntosh.
JK
If you have access to Usenet news (NetNews) you can simply read
articles in the newsgroup bit.listserv.hp3000-l. If your news system does not
carry this newsgroup, or you do not have access to Usenet, you can join the
BITNet Listserv list HP3000-L by sending a mail message to:
(from Internet): <listserv@raven.utc.edu>
(from CompuServe): IN>listserv@raven.utc.edu
with a single line (preferably no signature lines):
subscribe hp3000-l Your Full Name
Listserv will send you a subscription confirmation "soon" depending on the mail propagation delays associated with your origin. If you do not receive notification within a reasonable time, you can contact a "human" for assistance by mailing to owner-hp3000-l@raven.utc.edu or contacting the owner, Jeff Kell (jeff-kell@utc.edu). Once subscribed, remember to send postings/replies to hp3000-l@raven.utc.edu, and list requests such as signoffs and index commands to listserv@raven.utc.edu.
To unsubscribe from the list, send to the same address as above, with the single line:
unsub HP3000-L
(don't need your name - it looks at your return e-mail address.) You'll be removed from the list.
JK
Some special options for controlling your subscription:
(send commands to listserv@raven.utc.edu)...
SET HP3000-L { MAIL | NOMAIL | DIGEST | INDEX } subscription choices
{ NOACK | ACK } posting acknowledgement
{ NOREPRO | REPRO } get your own post back
{ SHORT | IETF | FULL | DUAL} mail header options
First choice is the default. Only one of each option is allowed. And as Gilles mentioned, QUERY will show what options are currently in effect.
CB
On the Internet, if you wish to send an e-mail message to the list
(i.e. to all the members of the list) the address it to: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
Every member on the list will (eventually) get a copy of the message. When REPLY'ing to a message, be careful to specify whether you intend to send your reply to EVERYONE on the list, or merely the person that posed the original question/comment. A common mistake in replying to messages on mailing lists is to send the message (intended for an individual) to the entire mailing list accidentally.
CB
Netiquette (network talk for Network Etiquette) are guidelines for
proper "behavior" among networkers. There are exhaustive lists of DOs and DON'Ts
available elsewhere, but for the most part they are all just common courtesy. In
communications on the network you will encounter people that both agree with
your point of view, and those that may (sometimes vehemently) disagree. Courtesy
demands that we treat each others opinions with respect, and though differing
opinions are welcome (and often help to educate), foul language, personal
attacks, or other rude behavior (referred to as 'flames') are neither necessary
nor welcome. Likewise, responding to 'flames' usually merely incite more, and
are a waste of the networks' bandwidth.
CB
As 'network communication' traditionally lacks the 'personal touch' and
human expressions so important in personal communications, you may also see
network mini-expressions mixed with text (also referred to as 'smileys'),
intended to impart some sense of the emotion of the sender. Little 'smiles' (
:-) a smiling face as viewed when you turn your head to the left) are intended
to impart humor, winks ";-)" are intended to impart off-the-collar remarks or
wisecracks, and a variety of others will be seen in messages. "8-)" surprise,
":-(" frowns, ":^)" tongue-sticking out, etc. When in doubt, look at them
sideways and use some imagination!
Some common abbreviations:
BOF - "Birds of a Feather" - groups of users with common interest
BTW - By the way
FAQ - Frequently asked Questions
FWIW - For what its worth JP
FYI - For your information
IMHO - In my humble opinion
IMNSHO - In my (not so) humble opinion
OTOH - On the other hand... JP
RFC - Request for Comments (the documents that define/decide Internet
standards
ROTFL - Rolling on the floor laughing CB
RTFM - Read the (bleep) manual
RUG - Regional Users' Group
SIG - signature file (name/contact info) appended to messages
- also Special Interest Group (common among HP users - most
SIGs are sponsored by Interex or local users' groups)
TTFN - Ta ta for now JeB
YMMV - Your mileage may vary JB
CB
Is posting job ads on the HP3000-L ok?
Generally, short ads posted infrequently are tolerated on the list. Many listers have requested that such ads give minimal details - but preferably include salary guidelines (since most interested parties seem to key on these details!). A URL in the listing pointing to more detailed information is also preferable.
Also, interested parties should check the www.3k.com web site; there is a section where we allow free posting of any hp3000 related jobs (grouped by several categories; analysts, programmers, managers, operators, etc) and postings can be placed automatically via the web page. Entries are stored in a database and can be searched on by region, job type, and keywords. Old listings are automatically removed and posters can delete their own postings once filled.
In addition, there is also an area to post resumes on this site.
Most hp3000-l list members are aware of these job postings; it is a frequently visited web area, and monthly reminders are posted to the hp3000-l list remonding users about it's availability.
There is a search engine (which you can find on the main page at www.3k.com) which indexes every word on the 3k site - including the FAQ document.
RG
The HP3000-L list archives and a search capability are available at: http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html
There is also a "threaded" index of postings to the HP3000-L available at http://www.optc.com/Webbot/ - this allows you to view "threads" or groups of postings to the list grouped by message subject.
CB
How to obtain the HP3000-L FAQ Document
With this new html-only version of the FAQ document (now split up into many different files) the only way to access it is via WWW - connect to http://www.3k .com/
Any questions, comments, answers to fill in the faq, or suggestions for additions to the FAQ should be sent to rcb@3k.com.
The following are some of the sites that maintain various types of HP3000 related information or software available via (anonymous) ftp access.
3k Associates, Inc. ftp://ftp.3k.com/ Robelle Solutions Technology ftp://ftp.robelle.com/ Telamon ftp://ftp.telamon.com/
3k Associates gopher://gopher.3k.com/
See the file URLS located at ftp://ftp.3k.com/URLS
See http://www.interex.org/sources/usergrps.html
POWERH-L (Powerhouse users discussion)
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SUB POWERH-L yourname
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SPEEDWARE (Speedware users discussion)
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HPUX-ADMIN (Discussion group for HPUX administrators)
"To discuss matters related to HP-UX System Administration".
To subscribe, send to: majordomo@cv.ruu.nl with the following
in the message body;
subscribe hpux-admin
Example topics:
* Discussing debugging/problem solving
* How do I port application this-and-this to HP-UX
* What patch(es) should I install to solve a problem?
* Discussing the (un)desired effects of patches
* HP-UX specific security issues
* ...
To reach ALL MEMBERS of the list, send e-mail to:
hpux-admin@cv.ruu.nlMACS-L (Discussion group for users of Smith-Gardners MACS - Mail
Order and Catalog System)
To subscribe to the normal list, send to: macs-request@interex.org
with "subscribe" in the subject and nothing in the message. To subscribe to the "digest" version (you don't get each individual
message as it's sent; they come in bunches periodically - send
a message to macs-d-request@interex.org with "subscribe" in the
subject and nothing in the message.To send to the list, send messages to macs@interex.org
MAESTRO-L (Discussion group for users of Unison/Tivoli's MAESTRO job
schedular package)
To subscribe, send to requests@acellc.com with the following
in the message body;
SUBSCRIBE MAESTRO-L
And the following Network News (netnews) groups:
COMP.SYS.HP.APPS Application questions
COMP.SYS.HP.HARDWARE Hardware questions
COMP.SYS.HP.MISC Miscellaneous HP questions (mostly calculator
and workstation related, but occasional MPE
issues
COMP.SYS.HP.MPE Mirrored from the HP3000-L mailing list (that
is, all messages to the mailing list get copied
here also, and all messages posted to the news
group get copied to the mailing list members)
RG
There is the HP3000 patches mailing list that you can signup for at the
HP ESC http://us-support.external.hp.com/Also, Interex maintains several other mailing lists related to HP3000 vendors, solutions, and special interest groups. Click here to go to Interex's web page where you can sign up for them. They include: